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To all of you. I have the chat function up and and I'll be monitoring that so that our hosts can focus on hosting

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My name is Suzanne Myers and I work for the Center for Research on learning at the University of Kansas.

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We are supporting he link grant, which is the Kansas reading readers grant. And part of that as part of that and the director came up, who's on the call with us today.

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Wanted to organize several communities of practice around what we can think of as hot topics or things that the project sites were really needing some extra support in and to talk through some of the challenges that they're facing in their local districts

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Just so that you're aware, we have 32 school districts that are part of this link and they all shared

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6% of $27 million. So it's a big chunk of funding.

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And one of the reasons we're so excited about getting this is that it focused on literacy for birth through grade 12

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This broad range of literacy focus and we found out pretty quickly that early childhood was one of those areas that a lot of the K 12 systems where

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I'm really having a difficult time figuring out how to target that and the best ways to go about doing that. So that's sort of the, the reason for this particular community of practice.

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And we decided we needed some real experts who can help us focus on and lead a community of practice that hopefully could continue on. Even beyond the term of the cramps. So we have with us today, our hosts Dennis here from the Kansas Masonic literacy center to Markowitz

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I think that's your correct last name, is that correct i say that right and also with the the

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Kansas Masonic literacy center.

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And then God case and God, you'll have to remind me. The mobilizing literacy

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With mobilizing literacy. So they're teaming up to run this community of practice and they chaos D crew and Center for Research and learning are here to support them in that effort. But moving forward. They'll be

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Leading you all in the in discussions and work around early childhoods. Though I will get off and let them kind of take over unless Kim wanted to say a quick intro

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No, just, welcome. Thank you.

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Dentist Asia and God. All right. Thank you very much. Susie

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What we sketched out for our agenda today is welcome. And we've already done that we want to do some brief introductions, find out

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Let you know a little bit about us and find out a little bit about you and and our hopes for this community of practice. So we want to talk about some collaboration ideas and examples and

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Pick your brains a little bit. And we have some things to share that that might get us going determining our format and potential topics, because we want to talk about the things that are

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For first and foremost on your mind.

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And then we want to see if we can find a date for a face to face meeting and we're constrained to make a suggestion for that.

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The goals for this link community and branches community and practices to provide ongoing job embedded access to literacy experts for teachers anywhere in the state and so on future sessions, if, if we have an aid will try and find some people that come on as guest.

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To talk to us about literacy. We want to support literacy and literacy practice based on the goals of the striving readers project and support the district's alleged literacy plan.

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So we do bid you have a very warm welcome. We want to have an open format and use the time we have to promote as much discussion.

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And ideas about early childhood literacy as possible.

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So my name is Denis secure. I'm the executive director of that chasm Sonic literacy center it's located in the teachers college and Emporia State University, and it was founded in January 2017 based on a 10 year $4 million grant from the Kansas Masons. We've got a

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Statewide mission to improve literacy and we do a variety of things that are statewide as well as local kinds of things. And this year, our focus is on birth to five. So we'll be

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Concerted effort to do some work in that area. I want to let, turn, turn the mic over to Asia and never tell you a little bit about herself.

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Me after Neil and I know it's hard to sit down the afternoon, you're probably ready to be done for the day. So thank you for sharing your time with us.

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I am Keisha this I am about a month and a half, you and me assistant director position.

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Prior to this, I, I miss my 18th year of education. So I've taught anything Graham as all kindergarten and preschool and second grade with a lot of literacy instruction and training over the year so I am excited to visit with you all.

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Right. Jerry case I am new to this area of in Korea. This is my, my, my wife needs to be turned on. Sorry, let me unmute myself. There we go. My name is Jeremy case and

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Lettering sees

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Still updating and grant

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Facilitate that I'm going to slide out of this office for a minute because I'm getting a lot of feedback.

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I have been in education for a number of years. And so with my background. It's kindergarten and preschool. I've been an early childhood consultant with a stack in the Hutchinson area.

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But I really just have a passion for early literacy family engaged.

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Or just instilling

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Good quality instruction and interaction with early childhood investors. That's what I love to do and I love to collaborate with others. So I'm really happy to be here.

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Hi I'm Sheila Hermosillo I'm with the USD 443 Dodge City, Kansas right beginnings early childhood center. I'm Education disability specialist. And so I work with the district with

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The link grant requirements zero to five.

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Sorry. And so just looking forward to collaborating to see what other areas are doing

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And promoting early childhood literacy

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Thank you.

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For me,

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Like, I don't know if you can hear me, but I'm Stephanie born. I'm currently a Pre K five from school in Leavenworth, I'm at a loss elementary

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And Leavenworth has recently passed a bond to open a new intermediate center open up next year and then an early childhood center opening in August of 2021

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And I will be the principal of that building, and we are in the design phase with lots of play based instruction focus. So we're super excited and can't wait for this journey.

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Well, that sounds fantastic.

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Mindy.

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Okay, maybe Andrea

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Andrea. Hi. Hi, my theater remains. I'm an early childhood principal with the SWAMI school district 367 in my building. We have a head start.

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early childhood special ed preschool, a three year old class for world class we collaborate with infant toddler parents as teachers I have full day kindergarten and a level one co op based, especially its cost room. This is my 15th year in this position is Earth Elton.

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Think so. We are launching our redesign.

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Just collaborate more with community.

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Thanks, Andrea, we missed some of that your, your audio was coming in and out, but it sounded like you have some really exciting things happening and lots of collaboration.

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That is all good. Next, this is Kimberly math and and and the

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Project Director for the link project. And I'm really excited to see. So some of you on that I have seen in your school districts and I know have a good deal of experience.

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Know that these communities of practice will probably be a little bit of a slow start. And as far as numbers, so please bear out with your

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Districts and others, it might be interested. But I think this is going to be a close group of people that are able to collaborate with each other in an area where I don't know a lot about and I have learned that it is

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It's tough to navigate the waters of early childhood. So I will share it with all of you do administrators and teachers Robbie and on

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Monday, May you. Can you hear us.

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We'll just go on everyone who wants to introduce themselves if you push the button at the top, you'll see if there's anything else on here.

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Okay, that was everybody went into I think

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All right, let's move on. Our, our hopes for this co op community practices early childhood is a critical period for brain and language development as I know all of you are aware of our hope is to facilitate a discussion that's worthwhile and prompt for the moment for you.

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So in terms of collaboration because it to really do a bang up job in early childhood literacy. We've got to collaborate. There are so many agencies and individuals that are working, providing services to young children and families with children under five

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What collaborations are taking place in your communities such as schools parents as teachers public libraries.

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Early Head Start headstart etc.

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Well, I'll just open it up. Who wants to jump in to Andrea, do you want to jump in on that one.

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Sir, I will we

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Operating with our local public library.

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For some family engagements times that is hosted within the school building that ties in our hopes with our link grant with redesign, as well as our accreditation process. An example was right before school started

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To build a bear activity.

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The library taught parents and showed parents how to read and ask questions. They did build a bear activity and then different crafts that were related to that story.

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We try to invite as many people as we can soar babysitters

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Can hear you. Can you hear me now. Yes. Okay.

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So yes, we've been working with the library on different activities and parent engagement activities within our building and also Kansas reads to preschoolers, and any

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Holiday related and we we bring the library in and work closely with parents as teachers infant toddler. And then we also have Early Head Start that goes along with our head start program this within our building.

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And then something new that we are working on this year is a collaboration process with our daycare providers in town. We are the only preschool in our community and we are the school based preschool.

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Outside of the school district. Our daycare providers, maybe minimal preschool type services. So working together to collaborate with them on their developmental milestones.

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Or redesign process as well.

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That's fantastic.

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It's so important to be working with the daycares and preschools, because they're often

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Silos working laboring away all by themselves, and they have little chance for professional learning activities they

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They feel like they're just alone, shall we say. So having a you reach out to them and include them in professional learning and other kinds of activities is fantastic.

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When those come from a daycare my computer doesn't play nice to disappear when you have families that are going to child care centers or home daycare centers.

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It's an awesome acquisition for those families and come into that preschool setting or at least have some collaboration or networking going on. It's really nice for them as well.

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Sheila, you want to share something

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We, as I said, with bright beginnings worry or a zero to five program in which we do have Early Head Start telecare partnerships.

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The daycare or PT program with our three to five, we have our headstart classrooms are at risk classrooms and a cape EP classrooms. We've got full day

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We've got six full day classrooms, as well as three special education classrooms. We have three speech and language pathologist on staff one ot and one PT

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Physical therapy and occupational therapy to help meet our needs for those with special needs. We collaborate regularly with community agencies we are part of ICC in our area.

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We have, we ask those to come into our take place take part in our policy council such we've had the library take part. And so we've

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Done efforts of either they're HOSTING SOMETHING. And then we we go and we help provide activities or vice versa.

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We have collaborated in the past with Special Olympics. And we also have

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Stem nights that we've collaborated with exploration place.

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As well as our local police and fire department with with a touch of truck that collaborates with our fire safety.

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Time.

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And October, we do have our literacy bus that goes out to the community as well as the county providing stories literacy activities.

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In the, in the summer and all year long. So

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We try to to really taking initiative and and learn from other communities, see what they're doing.

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So I would ask if you would share a little more about the literacy boss. Okay, so I literally see bus is one that we have two buses and we have a bus driver as well as

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As a para that goes out into the community to different pockets in the area that we know that

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There are a lot of students. So your mobile home ports and so they you know those areas those pockets that they just need a little bit more

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Opportunity. And so during after school time and she also goes out and during the day to provide you know zero to three. So, or zero to five, anyone who might not be in school at that time.

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So it's our library and that that does that. She, she also provide services within our school those literacy events.

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Any other questions regarding that. Yeah. Do you know what days and hours, those type of things a little bit of details or yeah they usually go out

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About 415 to about 530 they stay out. And so they're out in the community, as I said, writing after school like snacks and meals as well as just different variety of different literacy activities to

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Are their books given to kids to or that just like a library on wheels or. How's that work. It's a library on wheels, but also have, as I said, literacy activities they do give out books every so often our literacy bus attends all of our community events. So we just had an international

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A festival downtown and anything that the community is involved. Any will will make sure that bright beginnings is is there as well as our, our literacy bus.

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We either have family advocates, or or instructional support that's there to kind of help promote early childhood literacy

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So that Sarah has additional support additional help. So she's not a one person show all the time. Correct. Right. Well, in our bus driver, as I said, She's our librarian. So

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They have, they have a lot of your hands yes and and they also go out to the community to get out.

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Of Dodge City we service the spear bill and Bucklin areas as well. So, is this your public library or is this your school library, this would be a. This was initially part of our program, but we also have other grants that support the literacy bus and the activities that we go out and

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In the community, the nutrition as far as the food we work with our USD 443 Kathy Conrad. He has been really good about helping us with an attrition part to make sure that we can provide meals. I know that I want to say they provided over 1000 meals in the summertime.

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Nice well

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Thank you. Thanks.

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Stephanie.

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Anyone else want to share on that topic.

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Sheila I don't. This is Kim. I don't know if you might want to mention when I was in diversity, I

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Saw examples of the reader out stories that you have community members do for participants in a preschool.

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And I share that on our Facebook page because I just thought it was such a great idea. Yes, share about that we have our family advocates from our headstart areas which is three to five, they

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went out into the community and we enlisted different readers of

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We have a high population of Spanish speakers. And so we did have a number of people read stories in both English and Spanish and

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They recorded those and and uploaded those on Facebook and had been sharing those out and it's been really good to see all of our community members take part in that.

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Okay, so we just take a few minutes to talk about all the great things already happening. And so then next part is, you know, are there any collaborations that you wish were taking place or anyone that you feel like missing from the table.

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Anybody want to start that conversation.

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We have a lot already a lot of partnerships.

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Andrea, you said that your school is starting to do the collaborations with the daycares. How is that going so far.

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We're just in the beginning stages. So, and have had several of the daycare providers reach out to me in regards to

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Professional Development and even things as simple as if a child has a safety plan.

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Because of maybe a custody issue or something. They daycares are saying, Well, what do we need to do, how do we get that information and what what are you guys trained on that would help us within our homes.

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And so there's been enough conversation back and forth through the summertime that I have just kind of throwing that out to several we are trying to collect everybody. So we're not missing anybody within our community. And then our next objective is to set a meeting date and time.

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We lost again once you go

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It'll be difficult to find a meeting time. Is that what you said you're looking at a time. Yeah. And then, and then we'll just kind of put our heads together and see where we want to take it from there. Great.

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All right. Thank you.

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Are there any collaborations that you wish or hope to start or

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Maybe not you, but someone or something together.

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We have been talking about as, as I think Andrea is already enlisting

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More collaboration among preschool educators and early childhood. That's something that we would like to probably

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Maybe focus on a little bit more. The opportunities for all to learn and kind of get on the same page. And I think that's something that would be

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The next thing that we would look at doing

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What what we have experienced here in Lyon County is

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Now there. I'm going to tell you three years ago, I really wasn't here. So, but there was already an advisory council that was established. So within that Advisory Council.

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There was a neutral person that we really wanted to kind of spearhead our meetings and by meeting.

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By meeting that she wasn't part of our school district, but she also wasn't part of a private sector or preschool or early learning environment. And so, that person, happened to be

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A United Way director executive director and so she spearheads all of our meetings, but the folks that we have in our table that we feel like are really important and very helpful that may be helpful for you is

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The child care licensure agent for our county is part of that and she helps us with building those connections with childcare providers that are in our county

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We also provide some some professional development that's free for all of those childcare providers and early childhood educators and so

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She's really our, our reach out person, if you will. She is, she is that go to person that helps us with not only reaching out to those people and informing them of what's taking place because she already has a list of emails.

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But she's also an interim instrumental and providing us with that registration piece that's ongoing throughout for all of our PD times

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And then as well. We have like all of our private preschool. So our faith based preschools attend our advisory council meetings and as well as our public preschool. So that's an opportunity for all of us to kind of come to the table and collaborate

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And we also have a therapeutic Preschool teacher that comes to our meetings because that's a specialized preschool for children with special needs.

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We this year. Our, our community advisory groups as really growing and his brothers, probably around 15 of us around the table. The important public library is a really important piece of

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Our crew because they are very instrumental in early literacy and passing passing that out to community people that we can't reach out because of all the

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Traffic that they have in their libraries. So we have that, of course, it cancels the sonic literacy centers involved, but then all of those folks.

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Yeah, he can hit Start yeah all of all of our public and private preschools are part of what we do have been on top of that, when we have

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Special family engagement events. So, for example, tonight we have a little earned nature Expo at Peter Pan Park that's free for all children to come to

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We send out a Google form people that want it that are advocates early childhood they sign up, whether they want to have a booth or not.

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And everybody comes we have it for about an hour. There's usually door prizes and a snack and

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There's really rich early learning opportunities that take place, But really the benefit is all of our families and the community.

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Get to know and become familiar with all of that offerings that that our county has for the for all of our families so

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That's a great way for representation to take place, but at the same time, to encourage play and the environment is what we're really focused on this evening.

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And then one thing I'll add that Jamie talked about with with our licensure.

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For daycare providers and and I'm not sure if your facilities are licensed as a gold a daycare center or if they're just. Is that accurate or no.

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Yes, so you know all about all the requirements that are necessary for a daycare center.

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And include into that is the professional development. And so all of the training that God does in collaboration with Jamie has the lady's name and they get Katie. Katie he hours for that. What's really cool is then

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With the school districts are teaching and you know the good practices, you know, early childhood development and bring development and all those things.

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We can kind of create that curriculum and then that's what all the daycare providers in the area are getting and so

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Instead of just and there's great things offered you know and casino and different things like that, but they're getting kind of information that is helpful for the tab of the school, if that makes sense. So it's a nice seamless transition so

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The public school is offering second step, and they're also offering learning without tears. We wanted to make sure that that platform was leveled out for everybody. So all kids that came to kick in kindergarten had

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that strong foundation that was leveling the playing field for all children. So anyway, the advisory council piece of collaborating pieces. Really, really important. So there's a lot of people that

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Come to the table to collaborate with us that maybe aren't on our advisory council that K CSL is a really important piece of this as well. There's just lots of collaborators and join us.

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Okay, so there's lots of family engagement events so Jubilee is one of our like kickoff for the beginning of the school year and it started out with just around 100 and coming. The first year and that was literacy music and movement, a snack at the zoo and

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Cancel the sonic literacy center help funded it fund it. And so did the mobilizing literacy

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We both been at it together. But it was really a cool opportunity to have

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A huge array of representation from our community. So it was a very diverse group that came and from there. It's just grown so every year. It's gotten bigger and bigger, and this year we have 364 there.

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And tonight, we're hoping we have over 200 for this event, but it's a cool opportunity where all the preschools come together and

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spearhead it together. So we're one cohesive unit. And then we have a little learner math science Expo then send them all that in the winter months.

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Because people are going stir crazy and they want to be outside. So that's another opportunity for families to come, we always make sure that every child walks away with the free book that's the other component to this that we really want to embed it early literacy with families.

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The events. We did this year we did this last year and Lyon County, but this year we expanded it to coffee and

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Got all of the public librarians to go into the kindergarten classes in their service area in those three counties.

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And read the book how rocket learned to read and then they gave them a copy of rockets into a fine day compliments of the cancer Masonic literacy center.

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And later this fall will be giving the book how rocket learn to write to every kindergarten teacher that participated in those three counties, along with some writing activities and a writing contest.

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So librarian public librarians are key people to collaborate with us, as I'm sure most of you realize

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Have you guys considered collaborating with like a History Center that you might have there or a rec center. If you have a record facility or our wellness our community art center, a free for arts, anything like that.

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Or an extension office, maybe even

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Our Extension office they do come in to provide different activities within our school

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With our children. Yes. So we collaborate with them. But those are some good ideas about possibly bringing the arts into the program.

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Great.

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What we're planning on our monthly meeting September, October, November, January, February, March and April, they'll all be by zoom except one of them will be a face to face meeting that we hope to pull off.

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Some potential topics.

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family involvement literacy nights kindergarten jumpstart programs.

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Where you bring kindergarten kids in before the start of school for a week or two weeks and teach them their routines and get them used to school and so on. So that when school does start they're ready to go, how they've had a head start, transportation, we have a

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Grant about mobilizing literacy in the Tri County area and we've got some

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Really interesting stories about transportation and how

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Expressly rural school districts can pull it off. We've had pretty significant increase in the number of preschoolers that are enrolled in preschool programs.

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Tim, the more they learn

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And the more ready, they are when they hit kindergarten, there's a greater chance that they're going to be reading a third grade level when they're in third grade and

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Very good chance that they're going to graduate from

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The public school system. So,

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Everything is, as you know, all tied together. So what other topics, do you see as important to you and your environment.

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In our area, we are a part of

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Our school district has included us in their pre pre K through grade 12 initiative of implementing empty SS initiatives.

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And so within that framework, we are able to understand more about 3D the language and literacy, the math as well as social emotional components and

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And know what the plan is pre K through 12 and so it's just really good to be sitting at the table to identify you know

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Where our kids are going to

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And then also bringing what is developmentally appropriate practice to the table as well.

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Early childhood.

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So would you like MPs us to be a topic.

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That would be good. That would be good. I'll pick. Yeah.

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I think Sheila I want to take a step in your shoes and and see where our kids are beginning before they come to us at our school district Pre K level right now we are doing empty SS

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For our preschool and kindergarten, just like the rest of the buildings within our district and that I think we are as a school and staff are wondering

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We lost you again.

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Where do you go what happened. I don't know. Oh, no.

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But I was I was saying we have empty SMS or pre school, all the way up. But we're at the point where we'd like to know what is happening before our students come to us.

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Right now we're utilizing our screen or such as an as Q3 and as QC we complete home visits. And then we also have family advocates that complete a home visit prior to us the instructional team.

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Meeting the family in their home. So that was just one more way that we're can we can really kind of build that family partnership.

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What I'm looking for is what how we reach out to the birth to three.

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Our doors for our families. So it's not so intimidating. Maybe when they come to us. So using that transition and that partnership at the birth to three level.

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And so something we did in the district and worked at before and just to kind of start that transition, I hear you talking about which of course you've got your infant toddler.

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And parents as teachers, but when we had our family nights, our family events we opened it up to anybody with the child.

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And we actually had a lot of people in the community who brought like they're six months old, or 18 months old.

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And I know that's like a baby step but it got them in the door. They became familiar with the staff and whatever resources. We were providing they were getting that. And that was just a quick idea.

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Sounds like Sheila has a lot of ideas because she is a diversified building. Is that correct, Sheila, we are and

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Unfortunately, our 023 specialist isn't here at the moment, but I'll make sure that she joins us next time, but she she does, she has a lot of specializations.

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In the month during the month and then a lot of activities that just help reach out to families. And then one of the other things is that

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With our grants, we, we really need to go out and recruit and so that's one thing that is something that our area, we need to look at

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When the climate, the political climate, it kind of gets a little bit more difficult to make sure that we're able to reach all of our population.

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That they're wanting to be

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Wanting to services and it just because of the political climate right now.

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I know social media sometimes can be abundant, but it also can be very helpful in terms of making connections and being

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I guess being available to see what's taking place. I know we have to be careful and mindful of kids that can't be on social media, but it's a great tool to access to

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Advocate and get get information out to those families because it seems like, I don't know if it's where you guys are not, but it seems like even in our area here.

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Most families seem to be using Facebook and Instagram not Twitter. I don't know. That's true for you guys are not UK, France, I

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Agree. I would agree. Out here crazy it's

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Easier for for families to navigate

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Plug in here I'm teaching a course that's a free course, Katie. He approved for preschool teachers daycare workers, it goes statewide on the growing brain.

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It's a curriculum developed at the University of Arkansas and I was trained in that last October 023 conference. So we'll, we'll be starting restarting that course. So we're already going to finish this first two modules out of seven modules and

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It's each module is worth three credit three cloud hours and Katie he professional learning. So it's a 24 hour package to get through all seven and the second rotation of those modules will start November 29 so I'll share a little bit more with it with you about that.

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Okay, we're ready to move on.

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For we were asked to do set up one face to face meeting so we can get a little bit more personal with

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knowing each other.

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How many of you are going to be at the chaos D conference in late October. October 29th.

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Sheila. Are you going to be there.

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She's checking her calendar. I see Andrea, shaking her head yes yes our district will be there, including myself, okay. Well, that might be a time where we could have a meeting on Tuesday after I was looking at the

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Chaos D website today and seeing if they had their, their schedule per conference, but I couldn't find anything. So as as we get a little bit closer to that date we we could look at maybe meeting after the schedule is over for that day late afternoon.

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And for short face that our long face to face meeting that sound okay for you.

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What conferences that that Kansas State Department of Education Conference in Wichita

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That's an annual event takes place, October. Okay.

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All right, we'll share more as we get closer to that will share more with you about Deb meeting.

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Anything else ladies level that work for you. I think that should work. I would just need to obtain permission and sign up for the conference and I've gone to the Tasman leadership conferences, as well as the special education when this summer. So I can go ahead and add this

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Conference out

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Well, there's no such thing as being too informed right

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Or you can go on Cassidy's website and you shouldn't be able to find the conference.

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Information that I just couldn't find your schedule today.

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Anything else

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Additional ideas of things that are talking points that you feel would be great for conversation. We'd love to know what those are.

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It's kind of it'll, it'll be kind of a growing as we go kind of thing. If there's other things that will come on that we feel like that would be valid and important.

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And if you know anybody else that should be invited. Please make sure and extend like your early childhood specialist or your public your library and that you do some really great things with. I think this is an opportunity to really grow that group.

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A little bit more. We communicate with each other. The more we all learn from each other. So

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Anything else

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I want to just say how much I've enjoyed this conversation and

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wish you the best. Have a great day tomorrow.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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Thanks, Kim Susie

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Thank you, Dennis. Thank you to our hosts and thank you everyone for joining us. Have a great night. Thank you.

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Thank you. Bye.

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Hey Dennis and Jody, I'm still on so

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I didn't know you know we had a couple people mentioned the timing. What we did is, is kind of put times to for this meeting the where the participants register.

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With 330 just because that would come in time that at that time. We didn't have too many people signed up. So I know how do you guys feel about that. I mean,

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We wanted to stay away. I think initially the thought was stay away from during the day because

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You know, early childhood providers available, then that would obviously not be a good time for them that to stay with us 330 times slide or do you want us to send out kind of whole to those who have registered now and and you know give them an option of choosing times

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I think we can be flexible in terms of time, I was thinking that more later but

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For daycare providers. Yeah.

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So now you can you can go late enough for them. Sure. And then they're probably exhausted by that time, anyhow.

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And yeah, and the other option, you know, of course, we really want people to be able to join the conversation as it's happening.

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We will record it and that's the last option. But, you know, that is that is at least an option. I know, even at the State Department of Education. We've had some members of the early childhood team that are

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Very interested in listening to the conversation, but may or may not be able to actually join the call. So we've promised them to be able to share the recording with them so they can at least know what the conversations have been on our calls so

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That's what we'll do, what will follow up with your group, as in the next week. So, and and just give them an option of, you know, if this time period is faster if they have another selection. So, let us

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And then we can follow that up. Also at face to face meeting, it's chaos D conference, if that works on sure and and if if people would let me know. Maybe a few sponsors that might be available to provide for refreshments at a meeting for us that can make that happen, and

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Do anything we need for that.

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The other thing that we probably need to iron out. I don't know if this works to send it all out the same time. And if we're going to

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Plan to meet on the audit October 29 day it might be good to set a time we may not have that location. Yet, or maybe we don't want to set the time yet but now